Cetera illa adhibebat, quibus demptis negat se Epicurus intellegere quid sit bonum. Eorum enim est haec querela, qui sibi cari sunt seseque diligunt. Sed eum qui audiebant, quoad poterant, defendebant sententiam suam.
Non est ista, inquam, Piso, magna dissensio. Ergo infelix una molestia, fellx rursus, cum is ipse anulus in praecordiis piscis inventus est? Quae diligentissime contra Aristonem dicuntur a Chryippo. Nunc haec primum fortasse audientis servire debemus. Dic in quovis conventu te omnia facere, ne doleas. Ne amores quidem sanctos a sapiente alienos esse arbitrantur. Qui autem diffidet perpetuitati bonorum suorum, timeat necesse est, ne aliquando amissis illis sit miser. Sic consequentibus vestris sublatis prima tolluntur. Eam tum adesse, cum dolor omnis absit; Rhetorice igitur, inquam, nos mavis quam dialectice disputare?
Dicet pro me ipsa virtus nec dubitabit isti vestro beato M. Sed vos squalidius, illorum vides quam niteat oratio. Tollenda est atque extrahenda radicitus. Non est ista, inquam, Piso, magna dissensio. Luxuriam non reprehendit, modo sit vacua infinita cupiditate et timore. At iam decimum annum in spelunca iacet. Philosophi autem in suis lectulis plerumque moriuntur. Post enim Chrysippum eum non sane est disputatum. Erit enim instructus ad mortem contemnendam, ad exilium, ad ipsum etiam dolorem. Sin tantum modo ad indicia veteris memoriae cognoscenda, curiosorum. Quodsi ipsam honestatem undique pertectam atque absolutam. Quo modo autem optimum, si bonum praeterea nullum est?
Cum id quoque, ut cupiebat, audivisset, evelli iussit eam, qua erat transfixus, hastam. Quae in controversiam veniunt, de iis, si placet, disseramus. Ab his oratores, ab his imperatores ac rerum publicarum principes extiterunt. Ut placet, inquit, etsi enim illud erat aptius, aequum cuique concedere. Ab hoc autem quaedam non melius quam veteres, quaedam omnino relicta. Nec hoc ille non vidit, sed verborum magnificentia est et gloria delectatus.
Tamen a proposito, inquam, aberramus. Quasi ego id curem, quid ille aiat aut neget.
Tu enim ista lenius, hic Stoicorum more nos vexat. Quod dicit Epicurus etiam de voluptate, quae minime sint voluptates, eas obscurari saepe et obrui. Si mala non sunt, iacet omnis ratio Peripateticorum. Habent enim et bene longam et satis litigiosam disputationem. Si de re disceptari oportet, nulla mihi tecum, Cato, potest esse dissensio. Et hanc quidem primam exigam a te operam, ut audias me quae a te dicta sunt refellentem. Ita relinquet duas, de quibus etiam atque etiam consideret. Rationis enim perfectio est virtus; Post enim Chrysippum eum non sane est disputatum. Hoc sic expositum dissimile est superiori.
At modo dixeras nihil in istis rebus esse, quod interesset. Sed quid minus probandum quam esse aliquem beatum nec satis beatum? Tum Piso: Quoniam igitur aliquid omnes, quid Lucius noster? Venit ad extremum; Itaque in rebus minime obscuris non multus est apud eos disserendi labor. Quis animo aequo videt eum, quem inpure ac flagitiose putet vivere?
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Ut non sine causa ex iis memoriae ducta sit disciplina. Videsne quam sit magna dissensio? Duo Reges: constructio interrete. Quae similitudo in genere etiam humano apparet. Quando enim Socrates, qui parens philosophiae iure dici potest, quicquam tale fecit? Idem iste, inquam, de voluptate quid sentit?
Itaque his sapiens semper vacabit. Isto modo, ne si avia quidem eius nata non esset. In omni enim arte vel studio vel quavis scientia vel in ipsa virtute optimum quidque rarissimum est. A mene tu? Dolere malum est: in crucem qui agitur, beatus esse non potest. Hoc loco discipulos quaerere videtur, ut, qui asoti esse velint, philosophi ante fiant. Septem autem illi non suo, sed populorum suffragio omnium nominati sunt. Videsne quam sit magna dissensio? Gerendus est mos, modo recte sentiat. Quid ergo attinet dicere: Nihil haberem, quod reprehenderem,
si finitas cupiditates haberent?
Tuo vero id quidem, inquam, arbitratu. Istam voluptatem, inquit, Epicurus ignorat? Nos cum te, M. Saepe ab Aristotele, a Theophrasto mirabiliter est laudata per se ipsa rerum scientia; Uterque enim summo bono fruitur, id est voluptate. Sine ea igitur iucunde negat posse se vivere?
Atqui perspicuum est hominem e corpore animoque constare, cum primae sint animi partes, secundae corporis. Parvi enim primo ortu sic iacent, tamquam omnino sine animo sint. Si quidem, inquit, tollerem, sed relinquo. In primo enim ortu inest teneritas ac mollitia quaedam, ut nec res videre optimas nec agere possint.
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